This is getting........

This is getting........

Postby DDEATH » Wed Aug 23, 2017 7:57 am

..........better than "Days of our Lives"! :lol:

Bannon declares war on Trump!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/pol ... 577328001/
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Re: This is getting........

Postby WestTX » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:38 pm

It sure seems like the powers-that-be are running the country -- Democrats and Republicans alike. It's like one big pool of inbred shitz.

The American Civil War.... Was it the battle over slavery? No, and secondary at best to think so.

Beware... Trump isn't the problem.

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Re: This is getting........

Postby DDEATH » Wed Aug 23, 2017 9:53 pm

Gotdam, Tex!!! If slavery wasn't the main cause........ what was?

If Trump isn't the problem........ he sure as hell has got a lotta people fooled! :lol:
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Re: This is getting........

Postby GEEZER » Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:56 pm

"Gotdam, Tex!!! If slavery wasn't the main cause........ what was?"

Imagine that ....the liberal education system not teaching actual history, or you weren't actually listening.
The war between the states started over oppression, financial and states rights.
The southern states tried to leave the US because they were being taxed for producing raw material, being charged by the
govt to export to the north and being taxed again for importing the finished product back south.
The north made the rules, and the south had to abide.
In spite of what you were taught...it was not a civil war (at least in the beginning) The south had no dreams of taking over the north or the entire nation.
It was a war between the states for freedom from an overbearing govt. Lincoln brought slavery into the mix as a recruiting tool for soldiers because he
was losing the war and needed manpower. The south had penetrated deep into norther territories and he didn't have the military to stop them.
He excited the public enough to fill the void by bringing slavery into the mix 2 and a half yrs into the war.
He had slaves himself and freeing them would only hurt him and his cronies, but, he was determined to find a way to keep the US as one country, he was losing
that battle, and couldn't afford to lose for his main goal,(unity), so he gave up his own personal gain to make that happen....for THAT I respect the man.
No one should own another person anyway, but that was not the original goal in mind.

If you think southern men would fight and die to let the one percent (or less) of the population keep their "riches" you would be an idiot.
You were young when they taught you that idiotic idea, naive, and you had an excuse....but you actually have a brain now, use it.
People will not voluntarily die for a cause that only helps others finances...or for what they know or even believe to be a lie.
The poor southern land owner didn't have a dog in the fight of slavery, but he did have one in the fight over oppression and govt overreach.
The average southern man was living a hand to mouth existence and didn't have the money or the desire to own slaves, and still don't.
There were southern soldiers on both sides of my family, but nobody in my family owned any slaves. They were being punished by the north with restrictions
and taxes imposed by the north and wanted to be free people without being slaves themselves to a bunch of yahoos that gained by their losses.


It was a war against oppression and for states that supposedly had the authority to enact rights granted to them by the constitution....you know...the powers
retained by states because any powers not given to the fed by the constitution were supposed to remain with the states.....so I guess those dumb old southern boys
understood the constitution and rights better than most northerners, and were wiling to die for that cause.
That is why the people that understand history, want to keep their statues....not because they fought FOR slavery, but fought for upholding the constitution as written and were willing to die for that cause.

If you think I am wrong, check with WesTX, maybe he can give you an education since your schools failed you miserably, and continue to do the same today.
If they had taught these truths...maybe there wouldn't be so much hate directed at things the public is ignorant of.
Some have hijacked statues, flags and lots of things, and applied them to things they actually don't represent to further their own warped cause.
Trump is right, it IS a shame to lose our true history over a bunch of truly uneducated idiots.

Now to answer your question (Gotdam, Tex!!! If slavery wasn't the main cause........ what was?)
It started over oppression and states rights.....it ended over something other than the original "battle cry".
Slavery was the north's MAIN (in the end) "issue"....not the typical southerner's.....and still is NOT.......So every time you think it is.. the native southerner will just shake his head and say "uninformed idiot", and he will be right. If you feel the desire to educate your uninformed neighbors...feel free :lol:



.....................................................................................just sayin'..................................................... :roll:
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Re: This is getting........

Postby GEEZER » Thu Aug 24, 2017 6:11 pm

If congress had done it's job, and run everything through the courts in the 1870s like they should have,
the Jim Crow laws would have never gotten a foot hold, and there would have been no reason for laws to be implemented in the 1960s.....
Civil Rights Act.....so don't blame the south automatically for being the devil in the wood pile.
Most always...ideas, issues etc are created in the north, forced on the south and them blamed on the south for being racists.
The south has always been the nations punching bag, and it continues today.
This is another reason "santuary" city status is looked upon as a bad thing here.....we know there is a pipe bomb attached to any
fool hearty, goofy ideas the liberals have. Libs aren't smart enough to learn from the mistakes they have made, and refuse to take any
blame for the troubles they have caused and continue to cause.
We now have "citizen" groups that want to judge the job our local law enforcement agencies are doing....screaming racism, too much police enforcement........at the same time they are organizing groups that want to question why there is not enough police "presence" in their area. Kinda narcissistic wouldn't you say? Nobody seems to have a pair big enough to point the finger back at that part of the public and inform them that the problem lies with the ones that are complaining................QUIT RAISING HOODLUMS :!:
If you don't want hoodlums in your neighborhood, quit producing them and then letting them reproduce themselves over and over. insanity, continue to do the same
thing over and over and expect different results.........typical liberal belief system..............a whole like their life values, and just like their vision on creation.
Take nothing, mix it with nothing, sit back and wait...and if you wait long enough something will happen. If it happens to have what we think is a problem of any kind some liberal will fix it down the road. :lol: :lol:

I would bet an entire months retirement the same stupid conversations were being held in places like Chicago over thirty years ago, before they had all the problems
they have now, created by stupidity, ignorance, and liberalism way back then, promoted and allowed by idiots, and still too stupid to realize, they are getting
what they sewed and exacerbated their plight . But at least they voted for the big "H"...more of the same failed policies.

......................................................................................just sayin'......................................... :( (that is sad)
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Re: This is getting........

Postby DazedandConfused » Fri Aug 25, 2017 6:17 am

Confederate Constitution

Article I, Section 9, Clause 4 prohibited the Confederate government from restricting slavery in any way:

"No bill of attainder, ex post facto law, or law denying or impairing the right of property in negro slaves shall be passed."

Article IV, Section 2 also prohibited states from interfering with slavery:

"The citizens of each State shall be entitled to all the privileges and immunities of citizens in the several States; and shall have the right of transit and sojourn in any State of this Confederacy, with their slaves and other property; and the right of property in said slaves shall not be thereby impaired."

Perhaps the most menacing provision of the Confederate States Constitution was the explicit protection Article IV, Section 3, Clause 3 offered to slavery in all future territories conquered or acquired by the Confederacy:

"The Confederate States may acquire new territory; and Congress shall have power to legislate and provide governments for the inhabitants of all territory belonging to the Confederate States, lying without the limits of the several States; and may permit them, at such times, and in such manner as it may by law provide, to form States to be admitted into the Confederacy. In all such territory the institution of negro slavery, as it now exists in the Confederate States, shall be recognized and protected by Congress and by the Territorial government; and the inhabitants of the several Confederate States and Territories shall have the right to take to such Territory any slaves lawfully held by them in any of the States or Territories of the Confederate States."
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Re: This is getting........

Postby DDEATH » Fri Aug 25, 2017 1:45 pm

Gotdam........ I knew it was about states rights! Now what was the biggest right those southern states wanted? BTW, I don't think it was as evil as some think....... more a normal way of thinking at that time, for most. I also admire R. E. Lee and consider him to be one of our great American generals and deserving of some statues in his home state of Virginia and D.C. :idea:
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Re: This is getting........

Postby GEEZER » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:31 pm

Q:
What were the causes of the Civil War?
A:
Quick Answer
The main reasons for the secession of the Southern from the Union were states' rights, unfair taxation and slavery.
In general, the states that seceded felt that the laws of the Union were unfair.

Full Answer

Abolitionist groups in the North succeeded in swaying popular opinion in favor of abolishing slavery,
and many Northern states outlawed the practice.
(Keep in mind, at this point, anticipating abolishment in the north, slave owners took their slaves south
and sold them in advance so as not to lose their investments...Buyers in the south seeing what was happening
and tried to block the northerners from coming south and outlawing ownership and leaving the southern buyers
and owner from being stuck with their investment...why the slavery laws were included in the south's constitution.)

The "states rights" issues were generally based on the 10th Amendment of the US constitution
Amendment X:
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states,
are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people.
US federal "over reach" .....

Business interests in the South, particularly agriculture,
remained in favor of slavery because it was advantageous to the economy of the region. The Southern states
were concerned about legal provisions that outlawed slavery in newly formed states admitted into the Union.

Slavery was the most prominent issue in the Civil War, but it was not the only source of the conflict.
Southern states believed they deserved more sovereignty and wanted to be able to nullify federal laws.
Southerners were also upset about taxation laws that were disproportionately beneficial to the Northern states.
A belief in Southern nationalism also played a role for citizens with no economic stake in defending slavery.
These Southerners sided with the Confederacy, even though they did not own slaves.
Abraham Lincoln's presidential election was also a direct trigger for secession. Seven Southern slave states formed
the Confederate States of America before Lincoln was inaugurated.

The Thirteenth Amendment (Amendment XIII) to the United States Constitution abolished slavery and involuntary servitude,
except as punishment for a crime. In Congress, it was passed by the Senate on April 8, 1864, and by the House on January 31,
1865.

IF the war was strictly over slavery.....why would congress and the senate wait until after the sure demise of the southern states
as an independent nation, to declare slavery illegal?

Many knew Lincoln had little love for enslaved blacks and didn't wage war against the South for their benefit.
Lincoln made that plain, saying, "I will say, then, that I am not, nor have ever been in favor of bringing about
in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races ... I am in favor of having the superior
position assigned to the white race." The very words of his 1863 Emancipation Proclamation revealed his deceit and cunning;
it freed those slaves held "within any State or designated part of a State the people whereof shall then be in rebellion
against the United States." It didn't apply to slaves in West Virginia and areas and states not in rebellion.
Like Gen. Ulysses Grant's slaves, they had to wait for the 13th Amendment, Grant explained why he didn't free his slaves earlier,
saying, "Good help is so hard to come by these days."
Lincoln waged war to "preserve the Union". The 1783 peace agreement with England (Treaty of Paris] left 13 sovereign nations.
They came together in 1787, as principals, to create a federal government, as their agent, giving it specific delegated
authority -specified in our Constitution. Principals always retain the right to fire their agent. The South acted on that
right when it seceded. Its firing on Fort Sumter, federal property, gave Lincoln the pretext needed for the war. :)



In the short short DD....................just like today.........it was politics :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: This is getting........

Postby WestTX » Fri Aug 25, 2017 10:51 pm

No excuse, but I just lost most of my post from a system burp. Gotdamit as DDeath says... :evil:

I acknowledged Dazed's summary about the Confederate Constitution, but I emphasized the events leading up to the Civil War from the 1820s - 1850s, focusing on the first Missouri Compromise. Slavery in a sense was legitimized as a balance between economic and political influences in the North and South. Many argue that this was a result of slave imports being banned from foreign countries prior to the Missouri Compromise. The South faced a moral dilemma with slavery, given their agrarian society. The industrial North had no interest in black labor, because of the perceived (or real) threat of downward wages for white labor associated with trade unions. Check the insignificant figures for Black migration northward after the period of the first Missouri Compromise. As Geezer pointed out in his two summaries, the North through, and representing the Federal Government, put financial pressure on the South through excessive taxes and tariffs on its (the South's) foreign trade.

Most historians probably agree that slavery wasn't sustainable, because its expansion wasn't seen to any large scale with the westward movement into new territories. My own family from years past in North Carolina were Freedmen, beginning in the late 1840s into the 1850s. They trek'ed westward to Texas where slavery's expansion was rapidly declining. This decline had to be known, because why else would my family have gone West?

Good points all around, but Geezer's discussion pretty much hits the target...

The Civil War ended over 150 years ago. The Confederacy battled tyranny for many of the same reasons that I see from today's conflicts, although there is much more social disorder today.

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Re: This is getting........

Postby DazedandConfused » Sat Aug 26, 2017 10:18 am

WestTx, I like to show facts. That is why I posted that. Today a racist is anyone who disagrees with the socialists. People call me a racist because I think Obama was the worst President in history. My best friend at work is a gay black girl who has the same personality as me. We are the life of the office. This is a very old tactic that the liberals always deploy. I opposed Obama because because he pushed a socialist agenda. He was warped by his communist father. No sane person could accept letting more Muslims into the country when they advocate the destruction of America, yet the socialists convinced people it was the humane thing to do. People were convinced to put their own lifestyle aside because of a community organinzer. How in the hell did transgender become an issue - because people can be sold any bullshit if it is presented right. People ask why I keep bringing that up - because it is a perfect example of people not using their brain.
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